Nov 8 (4/14): The Future of NATO

Marciano490

What reactions are you seeing among our NATO allies to Turkey’s aggressions? Are the European countries just sitting back to see how everything plays out, or are there signs of frustration and regret?

What’s the process of booting Turkey from NATO? I know the Russians and Turkeys have historical antipathy (hi Potemkin!), but is there any chance an unNATO’d Turkey allies with Putin?

Reverend

Well, there’s this:

The Guardian:Macron criticised by US and Germany over Nato ‘brain death’ claims

French president says in interview that Europe is in danger of disappearing geopolitically

Emmanuel Macron has said Nato is in the throes of “brain death” and European countries can no longer rely on the US to defend its allies, drawing criticism from both the US and Germany.

“What we are currently experiencing is the brain death of Nato,” the French president told the Economist in an interview. “You have no coordination whatsoever of strategic decision-making between the United States and its Nato allies. None. You have an uncoordinated aggressive action by another Nato ally, Turkey, in an area where our interests are at stake.”

Asked whether he still believed in the “collective defence” stipulations of article five of Nato’s founding treaty, under which an attack against one member is considered an attack against all members, Macron answered: “I don’t know.”

Nato “only works if the guarantor of last resort functions as such. I’d argue that we should reassess the reality of what Nato is in the light of the commitment of the United States,” he said.

I hadn’t even thought of this.

Marciano490

Given human history, nevermind European history, that seems bizarrely naive. What would happen if Germany invaded France for a change?

Oh. Oh dear.

Edit: Wait a minute…

Asked whether he still believed in the “collective defence” stipulations of article five of Nato’s founding treaty, under which an attack against one member is considered an attack against all members, Macron answered: “I don’t know.”

“I don’t know.”?????